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After offering money to various folks here "selling" their high end pedal sets, I have found no one actually wants to sell their babies... I can't really say that I blame them, but I want to buy an upgrade for my CSR Elites.  So I'm looking for Clubsport pedals or better.  PM me with what you have and what you want for them and you will have money in your PP acct within a few hours.  I'm going to buy something by Saturday the 10th of August.
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If you can get used to the fact that ECCI doesn't use load cells and this particular set has no clutch, you could buy this one and get a Bodnar G25/G27 Pedal Adapter. I got an ECCI myself recently and the difference between the 3-pedal set I have and my ARC Big Brake Plate-equipped G27 pedals or even my Act Labs RS2006 pedals with about $50 in upgrades are far, far beyond night and day. The progressive PMBII brake is a driver's best friend - you'd have to try it to believe it, and, the overall quality is exquisite. If you want even more feel, the brake can be upgraded even further with an $8 triple strength spring or Race Brake Stage 2 or 3 upgrade for $130, which is also the price to add a clutch to a 2 pedal G25/G27 ECCI pedal set if you'd prefer to do that. Here's the only one I can find on Ebay right now for around $300 including shipping:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ECCI-Trackstar-6000-Pedals-Only-Improves-on-the-Logitech-G25-and-G27-/251313774067?pt=US_Video_Game_Controllers&hash=item3a8377ddf3

 

Please let me know if you have any further questions

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Have you looked at the HPP Hydraulic Pedals, the two pedal version is around $500 I believe and it's going to be $800 for the three pedal version (they've just finished their first three pedal version).  There's also going to be a heel plate attachment.

 

I think these pedals look fantastic and are probably the best high end pedals on the market right now, considering the build quality, features and price.

 

Edit: $587, so not far out if you are willing to push your budget a little:

 

http://hargettprecision.com/index.php/racing-simulation/racing-pedals/hpp-simulation-2-pedal-system-clear.html

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mcunkle, on 06 Aug 2013 - 12:45, said:

Have you looked at the HPP Hydraulic Pedals, the two pedal version is around $500 I believe and it's going to be $800 for the three pedal version (they've just finished their first three pedal version). There's also going to be a heel plate attachment.

I

think these pedals look fantastic and are probably the best high end

pedals on the market right now, considering the build quality, features

and price.

Edit: $587, so not far out if you are willing to push your budget a little:

http://hargettprecision.com/index.php/racing-simulation/racing-pedals/hpp-simulation-2-pedal-system-clear.html

Oh yeah... huh, I hadn't heard of them... Are those tilton pedals with a joystick pcb instead of throttle cable and master cylinder? I have to say I have thought about trying to sort something out myself but I lack the time, money, effort, patience and the expertize (emphasis on the latter, more than the former). I'll reach out to them and see if I could fund a three pedal prototype or something.

MCUSA, on 05 Aug 2013 - 22:52, said:

If you can get used to the fact that ECCI doesn't use load cells and this particular set has no clutch, you could buy this one and get a Bodnar G25/G27 Pedal Adapter. I got an ECCI myself recently and the difference between the 3-pedal set I have and my ARC Big Brake Plate-equipped G27 pedals or even my Act Labs RS2006 pedals with about $50 in upgrades are far, far beyond night and day. The progressive PMBII brake is a driver's best friend - you'd have to try it to believe it, and, the overall quality is exquisite. If you want even more feel, the brake can be upgraded even further with an $8 triple strength spring or Race Brake Stage 2 or 3 upgrade for $130, which is also the price to add a clutch to a 2 pedal G25/G27 ECCI pedal set if you'd prefer to do that. Here's the only one I can find on Ebay right now for around $300 including shipping:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ECCI-Trackstar-6000-Pedals-Only-Improves-on-the-Logitech-G25-and-G27-/251313774067?pt=US_Video_Game_Controllers&hash=item3a8377ddf3

Please let me know if you have any further questions

Yeah man, it seems like there are quite a few of those 2 pedal sets available right now... Like too many considering how many units they move... Anyway thx for the heads up

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Oh yeah... huh, I hadn't heard of them... Are those tilton pedals with a joystick pcb instead of throttle cable and master cylinder? I have to say I have thought about trying to sort something out myself but I lack the time, money, effort, patience and the expertize (emphasis on the latter, more than the former). I'll reach out to them and see if I could fund a three pedal prototype or something. Yeah man, it seems like there are quite a few of those 2 pedal sets available right now... Like too many considering how many units they move... Anyway thx for the heads up

 

All the info on the three pedal version can be found on page 11 of the iracing forum: http://members.iracing.com/jforum/posts/list/250/3196895.page

 

They are selling the two pedal versions like hot cakes and the owners are raving about them.  They are also working on a heal plate and adjustable pedal pads and different pedal pad options I believe.

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Below is the most recent comparison between the Emery and HPP pedals.........

 

"We are fairly new to sim racing. we use a full motion Dbox actuator simulator with 3 55" screens, a good rig. we are also real world race car racers and have been racing things for over 40 years. our goal with the sim is to try and replicate, as close as possible the simulation to real world and use the best components for the job! 
 
in our pursuit we have been buying and trying many sim products claiming to be this great and the best and all the other self assessed accolades that are advertised. so we have been buying many products to separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak. we have many new BONE-YARD components to be sure. so far with respect to brakes we didnt bother buying logitech, thrustmaster for obvious reasons, we did buy CST's and massaged them to the point where they did work quite well but they were not cheap and never were they really close to real world race brakes. we then went with the Emery Tilton pedal set, good guy, knows his stuff, makes a good pedal set. our experience based on MOTEC data review showed the hydraulics performed much better, they slowed the race car quicker in the same distance traveled versus the CST pedal and trail braking was much closer in % than the CST's. driver feedback was also very good concerning all aspects of braking and braking technique. 
 
we then learned about the Hargett pedal set and ordered a set to try. we received the 2 pedal array and have since installed them for testing and to compare against the Emery Tilton set. we then asked 4 racers of varying race background to come over and do the test. the candidates were; 1 very experienced sim racer, 1 very experienced sim racer who also races a Swift Formula Atlantic car, a race team race car technician who has only kart raced and is new to sim racing (he has been on our sim quite a bit as well) and myself, I currently race a Pro Mazda and an f1000 race car and have been involved in sim racing for only 8 months. 
 
each guy got 30 minutes, first the Hargett pedals for 5 minutes, then calibrate the Hargett pedals to each drivers preference, test 10 more minutes then a switch to the Emery pedal set, calibrate to your style and test for the balance of 15 minutes. we have data and early review show very similar performance between Emery pedals and Marks pedals. in fact the FA driver commented that there was no difference at all in brake performance but certainly they felt different than the Emery pedals. 
 
first change, all drivers wanted to have a firmer pedal than what the orange compression bushing provided regardless of the amount of pre-load put on the bushing. once the black was installed for one driver, with no pre-load the brake was to his liking, the FA driver seemed to like it at abut 30% of the available pre-load, two of us like it at 50% pre-load. no one enjoyed the pedals at max pre-load, way too hard and that surprised us! 
 
other comments were: 
 
less take up or slack in Hargett pedals than the Emery pedals. Emery pedals have about 1/2" to 5/8" travel or take up before the piston actuates, Hargett pedals have 1/8" - 1/4" take up so the brake, actuates / brakes sooner in the stroke than the Emery pedals. the least experienced of the test drivers had very strong positive comments about the throttle, he said that he felt it was better performance than the Emery pedals. That said, the take up in Emery pedal is inherent to race car pedals because of the severe bouncing your feet go through, they don't want you to hit the brake, unless you want to hit the break regardless of your foot bouncing. 
 
summation: 
 
components: emery pedal set uses a series of AN3 brake lines and brake fittings, a pull cylinder. and T's. a 1600 PSI pressure transducer, throttle potentiometer tilton pedal set quality and willwood mc's mounted to a 3/16" aluminum plate. very good look, authentic, well made, perform as you would expect from a hydraulic brake pedal. softer to harder pedal is accomplished through changing a series of bushings and nylon spacers on the pull cylinder as well as a pre-load adjustment, very wide range so a guy can get very dialed in on the brake feel, it just takes longer because of the wide range. 
 
Hargett pedals accomplish the adjustment and fine tuning in a somewhat more timely fashion. very simple, pick one of the two bushings, place on rod, adjust the nut from just snug (about zero pre-load) to as many turns as the threaded rod will allow (max pre-load) and that's it, once you find the bushing strength you like the fine tuning is very easy and quick to accomplish. it also has a surprisingly wide pedal feel adjustment range but it's not as vast as the emery pedal set. 
 
mark pedals set as you can see from pictures also very well made, very good look, authentic and equally good performance. i think it uses a 1000 PSI pressure transducer, no lines, fittings or t's, robust push rod on the brake and robust clevis. A linear throttle so a few tweaks and differences but the hydraulic principal is the same. 
 
both pedals sets provide the best brake performance to date from the products we have tested, no real performance difference to speak of between them once the brake was actuated. so where is the difference? for me, there is certainly a "feel" difference, I like a hard peddle, so I have them both hard, Hargett pedals have the softer level of hardness though and its not something that I couldn't get used to that's for sure. I hope that makes sense, but there was no brake performance difference. I also enjoyed not having as much take up on getting the brake to actuate with the Hargett pedal set. 
 
the cost, Hargett pedals are less costly than Emery pedals. Hargett pedals have less plumbing and as such less to go wrong. both pedals sets are attractive but you cannot deny (if your a motorsport enthusiasts like we are) that shinny sparkling machined aluminum with the black anodized finish is just damn beautiful. the design / packaging, the thought and engineering packed into a very tidy envelope paired with what we would call high quality precise machining is a dream to look at. they work great, look great, even the box they come in is quality. (I know its just a box but its a nice one). 
 
so to conclude, both hydraulic pedals sets mentioned in this post perform near identical. and they do it very well, if you are seeking a better experience from your current brakes I would strongly encourage you to go to hydraulic brakes (save the next test). both Emery and Hargett pedals can accommodate tight foot box envelopes, both guys, in our experience are stand up guys and deliver exactly what they say you will receive. Emery pedals will give you a wider pedal feel adjustment but it will take time to find and you can get a hard hard hard pedal that will still perform. when I asked all the other test drivers which they would buy, they said "The Hargett pedals". less costly, less parts to go wrong / service. man that was hard to type because I know Emery has worked hard to get to where he has his pedal set currently and he doesn't make a ton of money on them, parts are just expensive and they are real race car components that come with real race car pricing, Mark makes most all his components and he provides as good a performance product at a reduced cost and its equally pleasing to look at! so what does a guy buy, both are good performing components, some will go for the Tilton even with a tad higher pricing because they want the look and the robust nature that goes into design of real race car parts. other's I am sure will look to the Hargett set because of price and the look but whichever you choose, I am confident a switch to a hydraulic pedal will enhance your simulation and race performance. 
 
our next test will be to compare Emery, Hargett and the f1 style ECCI mechanical brake. we have been told that they also offer every bit as good performance as the hydraulic with little to no maintenance and are reportedly the best for a commercial environment. from the pictures we have, they too look fantastic, appear to be well made, robust and can take up to 150 lbs. of leg force. its a good time to be in the sim world, in the last 8 months that I have been exposed to it, I have seen and tested many products and what seems to selling more and more is the better performance products regardless of the price. seem the sim racer is becoming much more discerning in what they want from the simulation. Logitech, Thrustmaster and Fanetec I am sure are paying attention. we will of course post our findings on the forum once we complete the next brake testing."

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Hey Coops... I know you ;-) (I think)... and thx for the review as well bud... I'm in discussion with the first company (with the two pedal hydrolic setup) to fund the production of a 3 pedal set... I let yall know how it goes.  I'm still looking for some pedals tho until I get a response from them.

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Hey Coops... I know you :wink: (I think)... and thx for the review as well bud... I'm in discussion with the first company (with the two pedal hydrolic setup) to fund the production of a 3 pedal set... I let yall know how it goes.  I'm still looking for some pedals tho until I get a response from them.

 

HPP have already got three pedal versions in production I've seen photos of them on the iRacing forums they are probably in demand and have a limited number but worth asking them if you can get your hands on a set, they are selling them at around the $800 mark.

 

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Yeah man, they are actually local to me.  I'm gonna go pick up the 2 pedal set in the next couple weeks.  (I'm gonna bring money for the 3 pedal).  If I am tempted to buy the three pedal set I will likely be looking for a new roomate/girlfriend if she sees the credit card bill. 

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I'm curious, these look like racing pedal sets which are installed bespoke racing machines and ground-up racecar builds

 

 ^^there at the site under the 2 pedal 1s and the price is $887.........http://hargettprecision.com/index.php/racing-simulation/racing-pedals.html

That's crazy... I had no idea whatsoever what on earth you were referring to until I just followed your link. I was sitting here thinking, "that guy is deaming (or seeing things) because I just talked to the GM of the company, and he had stated that basically, they just needed a few orders to fund the production of the three pedal setup.   I discussed putting up some cash to fund a prototype build and a bit of seed money on top of that to get the project off the ground.  We didn't talk specific numbers but the ones in my head were slightly cheaper for the three pedal (non-prototype) set and the lead time was significantly longer than... TOMORROW... for the production sets to roll out. 
The dude I was talking to was a bit skeptical of my pronouncements of demand for this sort of thing.  Also, I get the impression that they are happy to be a botique sim racing hardware manufacturer, and have literally zero interest in fighting the console hardware licensing battle with fortune 100 consumer electronics companies.  I keep thinking to myself, "well keep them away from consoles and you won't have to sweat the headache that is the RMA, hardware interoperability support, and compatibility with other 3rd party sim hardware that a small company like Fanatec has had to deal with after getting in bed with MS."
The way I see it, if a company (like, say, Hargett Precision Racing for instance) releases a set of pedals that are based on simple, already-on-the-market, real world racing equipment that plugs the user input in to a joystick controller (that transmits said input via vanilla USB or some other standardized IC) rather than a fly by wire module or master cylinder and throttle/clutch cable, you are golden.  The only once one accomplishes this is sourcing materials that are high quality and plentiful enough to make it feasible from a fiscal standpoint.  That is, expensive enough to keep away the riff-raff but not so expensive that they become Frex/ECCI. I commend these racing businesses for having the faith in the sim racing community to distinguish between lowest common denominator, one size fits all consumer electronics companies profit based model and their racing based products adapted for the virtual world (and pay for the privledge and quality) model.  


Perhaps I should inquire about having this thread moved to HW discussion as I have been sold on supporting an emerging sim racing products' company when I purchase a new set of pedals.  I have not yet purchased pedals, but this thread is no longer serving its original purpose of finding me some used ones.  Whatdaya think yall?

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Well the thread has served it's purpose, you've found yourself some reasonably affordable high end pedals that are brand new!  The question really is though is the additional $300 worth it for the the three pedal clutch version :smile:

 

From what I've heard the clutch has a very realistic feel.

 

I also commend HPP and I hope they make more products, it makes such a difference knowing that you are buying a product from a company who make real race car parts cause you'll know you are getting close to the real deal.

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Well the thread has served it's purpose, you've found yourself some reasonably affordable high end pedals that are brand new!  The question really is though is the additional $300 worth it for the the three pedal clutch version :smile:

 

From what I've heard the clutch has a very realistic feel.

 

I also commend HPP and I hope they make more products, it makes such a difference knowing that you are buying a product from a company who make real race car parts cause you'll know you are getting close to the real deal.

This is why i bought a set off HPP when companies that are involved in real race products start being involved with sim products they should have the best knowledge on how to get the product as close as possible to the real thing. i hope they build more sim products because if im impressed with there pedals. would like to know what they could do with a seq shifter and combined 6 or 7 speed shifter, and a handbrake too.

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my opinion, just hold onto the money and wait and see if/when the Derek Speares pedals are going to be released.

Any word on those, all seems quiet from Derek. If HPP can eventually make the three pedal version slightly cheaper at around the $650-699 mark then I think there would be no competition.

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Any word on those, all seems quiet from Derek. If HPP can eventually make the three pedal version slightly cheaper at around the $650-699 mark then I think there would be no competition.

 

honestly, i havent seen any updates. those HPP pedals look really slick. i would not mind droppin my CST-3B set for those whenever i have the funds available :)

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honestly, i havent seen any updates. those HPP pedals look really slick. i would not mind droppin my CST-3B set for those whenever i have the funds available :)

 

I'm in the same boat, I just picked up a Bodin Load cell a few weeks ago and I'm very happy with it so I can't justify the upgrade (yet) . So sometime next year I reckon I'll get these providing they fit on my rig.

 

I can see me spending some serious $ over the next couple of years, I'm being drawn to the high end gear the more I get sucked into and enjoy iRacing.

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