Need help with G25 setup and feel please

[Koshi Eternium 0]

No offence taken. But if you read back, no one has mentioned one word about in and/or out of game settings.

 

I have watched 100's of videos about technique but if my wheel is not delivering the FFB in the correct manner, all the videos and tips I've been given, which I have appreciated greatly, is for nothing if something is not right. I've been trying to work this out for years and all I'm getting is flamed and trolled for my efforts. 

 

All I am asking for is for someone to help me set my wheel up so I am able to drive the car, why is this not being answered? I can't focus on racing lines, braking points, car setups or any of that if my wheel is incorrect.

[Paul GT73 1,398]

turn off all your ffb settings, use no assists or voice direction,  turn hub off so its just you and the track, forget about going fast and just cruise, i think what you need to do is forget everything you think you know and start from scratch, set your wheel so it turns in conjuction with the on screen wheel and just drive it, if this works then slowly up the ffb, shawn purdy gives some good advice on over use of ffb, it can mess you up because you can rely to much on it, use visual and audio cues instead to start with, if this dont work then get a new wheel dude, and if thats the same then im all out of answers, good luck fella

[Koshi Eternium 0]

I have tried without FFB and it's even worse that I have now, I've put in 100's and 100's of hours doing laps by myself and they look fine in replays. But as soon as I join a race, I get rammed off the track on turn 1 every single time, be it A.I. or real drivers..

 

I am aware I need to start over and that is why I made this post so I can get some direction cause after all the forums posts and everything I've read so far I haven't got a clue what to do cause everyone uses something different to simulate the same thing, which makes no sense. No matter what I've tried with car setup I am always a second or two slow and I can't find anywhere on the track to make up that time, It feels like the cars have nothing more to give, yet I'm still not fast enough no matter how hard I'm pushing the car.

 

I have had a few G25s and mechanically they've all been exactly the same, it's the software side I'm asking for help with cause I've tried dozens of wheels settings supplied on forums and other drivers and have had no clue if whats been suggested to me is better or not. I've tried with the profiler, without the profiler, center spring box ticked and unticked and I have no clue what to do anymore and need some help to get this right so I can actually focus on the driving which I've not been able to do cause I don't know if what my FFB is doing is correct, which I believe it's not when someone said it's meant to be light and responsive. Well my wheel is anything but light and responsive, so something is wrong in the software side which is effecting my lap times cause I have no sense of grip.

[kardiackatz 16]

Turn the force feedback to 106% in the logitech menu, 900 degrees of rotation (or whatever is best for your paticular sim), and everything else to 0, and do NOT enable the centering spring.  Then adjust the FF in your sim till you feel what you want to feel.  Everybody that has already posted is correct in that to go faster the less feedback the better, but if you need the feedback for you, adjust to what feels good for YOU.  Then, find a video online of somebody doing a hot lap at a track in your sim and try to imitate that.  It will take time and practice, but you will at least learn what gear you need to be in and what angle you need to take the corner.  I do this sometimes if I just can't figure out a corner.  I will say, this really only works if you already mostly know the track, so seat time is crucial, and just keep practicing.

 

Also, the forums of your particular sim will most definitely have preferred wheel settings for the G25 if your still lost.  Like everybody else has said, however, being fast really isn't dependent on force feedback, that's just an aid that is really telling you information too late anyway since you are ALREADY losing grip when the signal is sent to your wheel.  You may find that if you try to drive slower you will actually be faster.

[Koshi Eternium 0]

All the posts I have read say 101-105% in the profiler/windows game controllers settings any higher and the FFB is clipped, also I've seen a video on YouTube that shows that a G25 and another 900 deg wheel is incapable of keeping up with the game (LFS and rFactor) at 900degs, anything under 600degs seems to work fine, the cars I normally use have 540 rotation so I've been using that. I've tried the games specific forums and just got flamed for my efforts. How am I meant to find what settings are good for me? I don't know where to start anymore and thats why I'm asking for help.

 

I have the rest set to 0%. Center spring tick box doesn't seem to have any effect to FFB feeling. I have been told I need to have the center spring ticked by other LFS racers. And this is where I'm having trouble cause everyone says something different and it doesn't seem to help when I try it cause I don't know what I'm aiming for with settings or how to use the settings achieve the correct feeling. The only time I don't have steering trouble is when I'm going sideways be it in drift or on the dirt, I have watched people doing laps and I try to follow their lines ect, but the car doesn't seem to want to follow their line even if I'm using their exact car set up. I've put 100's of hours into doing solo laps. 

 

Ovals show my problem cause I lose speed while turning the wheel, but if I turn the steering wheel a fraction less I don't scrub off any speed and run into the outside wall on the exit yet everyone else turns their wheel in more and doesn't lose any speed. 

[kardiackatz 16]

I don't run LFS, so I can't help you with the simspecifics.  I know that for the g27, I run 106% ffb because apparently that's the best way to get 100% linearity (according to iracing.com).   Why don't you try some different sims, maybe you just don't have a feel for this one.

[Koshi Eternium 0]

There is a setting in LFS that I think is to do with linearity, it's called "Wheel turn compensation" but like everything else I don't know if it should be 0.0 or 1.0 cause some say I need to use 1.0 and some say I need 0.0 and I have no idea which is right after trying both. 

 

I can play TOCA RD3 perfectly fine with the 101-105% everything else 0% settings and the SimBin titles I have Race07+expansions/mods and the 2 GTR games are fine too. Also I've tried SimRaceway recently and cause it's free, but I have FFB issues there too of it being way too strong even if I set the SimRaceway in game FFB at 1 out of 100 something it goes to, it's going to shake my desk apart, I've tried all the suggested things to do, there was a G25 specific .ini file which made no difference. LFS's forces seem reasonable there is just no feeling to the forces, it's like the steering is set in syrup so I can't tell if I'm turning in too much, or not enough ect

 

ptux73 is right that I have to start over, but after trying everything all the different ways I've been told, I am unsure what I'm supposed to do with the settings, saying I need to find whats right for me doesn't sound right as it should be the same FFB forces and strength for everyone, the only FFB difference should come from the car and car setups. But I don't know what those forces and strengths should be so I can't find the best balance of these settings so I can concentrate on braking, apexs ect. 

[Koshi Eternium 0]

....So what am I meant to be doing?

 

This is why I made this post, I need some direction with my wheel settings in and out of games cause I've tried stuff like center spring in the profiler, wheel turn compensation in LFS and nothing seems to have any effect and I don't know where I should start over from and I still need some help with this.

 

Watching other racers doesn't work cause like I said with ovals they can turn their wheel more than I do and NOT scrub off any speed, yet I lose a good 10MHP before the apex not matter how good a line a carve through the turn with less steering input, please explain that.

 

I have no idea what to do cause I get told something different every time and I have no idea out of all the different settings for the same thing I should be using.

[kardiackatz 16]

I actually looked this up for you, and it seems that people run a lot of different things, but most people are running 105-107 ffb, and 0 everything else.  Then 30-60 % in the game.  I have read from a lot of people that the ffb feels "weird" in LFS, so I that may be part of your problem.

 

As far as steering on ovals, if your scrubbing 10 mph on entry, sounds like you're driving it too hard in.  Let off the throttle more, then steer it, then hard on throttle on exit.  Slow in fast off.  Have you worked on your actual car setup at all?

[Koshi Eternium 0]

Then why have I only been told 101%-105% in the profiler? Thats where the confusion is coming from. If I set the FFB too high in the profiler and in game my wheel will bounce left and right getting more and more vigorous until I turn the in game to 30% or less. 

 

From what I've been watching no one else is lifting into the turns on the oval their flat out 100% of the time, even in the formula 1 car, I've tried track specific setups from people and ones I've tried to tweak myself and I get the same problem of losing speed with less steering input then I see others using. Which is why I want to make sure my FFB was right, because I can't pyhsical go any slower into a corner. Also I found setting the wheel rotation to 360 seems to give more feeling i.e I can feel bumps in the tarmac and the response appears to be much faster, but then I get called "noob" for it.

[Koshi Eternium 0]

I just tried 106% overall profiler and 50% in game and it's like SimRaceway, it's going to shake my desk apart. I don't get why I'm having so much trouble with this no matter how much effort I give it, I'm getting no where it seems. I still don't know what to do wqith wheel turn compensation or center spring and stuff like that, what do they do? Cause I don't feel anything when I use them

[Koshi Eternium 0]

Working on some replays, maybe there is something there that I don't know about, tried telemetry programs but I don't know read the information and apply it. Anyways I will FRAPS the 5 lap blasts I've done (All the road cars, the two FWD GTRs and the RWD and AWD turbo'd GTRs, the RWD N/A GTRs gearing seems to be wrong and slower than the turbos when laptimes should be roughly the same) and post on YouTube and link them here, hope there is something that helps in them.

[Koshi Eternium 0]

Ok, so I took a little brake from racing, cause I'm still no more informed than when I started this post, I have one person telling me to turn my FFB down/off and then I have someone a couple of posts later telling me I need to turn it way up. So which is it? Up or Down? This is exactly the problem I have every single time I try to ask for help. Why is this so difficult?

 

How do I know if my FFB is moving correctly? Like the videos I saw that showed a G25 was incapable of spinning lock to lock at 900degs rotation. the guy parked turned full lock, then floored the throttle and let the wheel go. Is there anyway I can use that method to find out if my FFB is right and if it's right why I'm so slow?

 

Oh yeah, turns out I'm about 5 or 6 seconds off the pace per lap and I still can't find anywhere on the track to go any faster cause the car has nothing more to give no matter what car setup I use. The GTRs I was doing replays for will do a 1.40ish Turbo's and N/A, but the best I could manage going as fast as the car will let me go is a 1.46.9 after consitant 1.47's. 

[wiley15 0]

i am new to the G25..I need some help with the profiler for NR2003...can anyone  help me set it up?