Ennis09 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 Hey guys, I just ordered a G27 today for 225$ with 4$ next day shipping .. I'm super excited but after I ordered it I found out theres a deadzone in the middle? Just a little confused on what that means, this is my first accutall wheel, before I had a ferarri 458 which I returned it was horrible.. And my first Force Feedback wheel as well. Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Propainkiller87 2 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 the logitech G27 has an area when you are going in a straight line where there will be no force feed back this is because of the 2 force feedback motors not pulling on each other when the wheel is centered. personally that was what made me not buy this. i am going to get the fanatec GT3 RS V2 with CSR elite pedals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hexcaliber 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 When the wheel is centered there is a small range, 10 degrees or so, where you will not feel force feedback effects. The wheel correctly picks up all your inputs, but due to the design using gears to deliver FFB effects, the motors do not act on the wheel in its neutral position. It really is not a big deal, for the most part you will not notice it, it is noticeable when making big direction changes, through tight esses and so on, causing you to switch from turning right to left, and vice versa, there you will notice the loss of weight on the wheel as you pass through the resting position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ennis09 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 Oh boy, It sounds bad, but then again It seems liike for a beginner like myself, I'm not super good.. So I don't think it will be an issue for me, once again I've never even owned a force feedback wheel so yeah haha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Propainkiller87 2 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 i had the Logitech MOMO but it is now broken and i am in the same boat as you. looking for a new cheap (good) wheel and thats y i decided on the GT3 RS V2. it just seemed better IMO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Carr 106 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 I have a G25 and thought the GT3RS would be an upgrade.Now I have 2 of them basically collecting dust.But you all just go ahead and buy them.Don't say that you weren't warned. There is a minor dead zone in the G25/27 series.I had to be told about it as I really never noticed it was there. You made the right decision getting the G27.I recently saw a pie graph showing what wheels people are using to race with.Logitech had by far the highest amount of users with the least amount of complaints and Fanatec had a much lower share of the graph with by far the most complaints. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GameON 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 Just on a side note. Why make 3 different topics all asking about the same product? You got replies from your previous topics why you didnt just these questions only in one thread? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
APEKS 159 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 In the middle of the wheel there's is a zone where the ffb is lighter your input still respond perfectly. Trust me when you're concentrating on a race u will not notice it. As Johnny says there's a reason why logitech is by far the leader Just on a side note. Why make 3 different topics all asking about the same product? You got replies from your previous topics why you didnt just these questions only in one thread? Good point there mate In the end it comes done to u trying out the wheel and making your own opinion, as far as wheels go I really don't see why u wouldn't like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ennis09 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2012 I made it in different areas because, I didn't know if that was against the rules, so I figured I would post this in the logitech portion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaTaPulT 658 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 Don't worry about the dead zone, I used a G25 for a few years and it never really bothered me, to the point when I used the Fanatec GT2, I would often add a little center deadzone. You'll see when you get it, it's a great wheel set. Take care Regards: >>>> Jack <<<< Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ennis09 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 Thanks everybody! I'm super excited it just shipped, and it's being overnighted .. I will be purchasing iRacing soon so I can download it now, and have it ready. One question I had during races, is it that realisitic where the cars have tire blowouts? Or engine failures or anything of that nature? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Carr 106 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 iRacing is lagging behind in some areas.The tires will not blow out nor do they flat spot yet.They have a very good tire model now that is on most of the cars now but it like the rest of iRacing is a work in progress.Another feature still lacking is that it's impossible to stall the car.There was a new tranny build about 2 years ago that now forces people to shift properly instead of flying through the gears.There are constant upgrades through a season (12 weeks) and during week 13 there is always a massive update. The best way to blow a motor in iRacing is gearing down too soon.A rookie move as you should be slowing down with the brakes not the gears.I have seen motors blow near the end of races when someone selects too much gear in the garage.If you're into the carburetor cup then you will be doing a lot of drafting at Dega or Daytona and if you don't trade positions with your drafting partner you will overheat and blow up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dutch46 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 G27 is a good wheel. The pedals it ships with decent for potentiometer-based tech, but they do wear out over time. I've swapped the brake for the clutch pot/bracket (same voltage) after the first one went completely south. You'll start to feel like there's a drag chute attached to the back of your car occasionally, and if you're playing a game that shows brake application, you'll notice a slight bit of flickering when the car bogs down. Don't open the assembly to blow the dust bunnies out...it violates the warranty, and Logitech would prefer you just box the entire pedal set up and send it back to them for a exchange. My next step is to put one of those AP Electrix load cell mod gizmos purposely built for the G25/27 pedal assemblies. Having to stomp on the brake pedal to return the rheostat to a neutral position with no voltage leakage has become annoying to the point I don't feel much like firing up the race rig at all lately. You might consider investing in this as well...you'll need it eventually. http://isrtv.com/forums/viewto ... 100&t=6732 Enjoy your new wheel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flaz 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 There is no such thing as deadzone on G27. @ Ennis09 you are making the right decision. Now subscribe on iRacing and use that G27, you will soon notice that you choose the right wheel. G27 = FUN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hennessey86 8 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 I have a G25 and thought the GT3RS would be an upgrade.Now I have 2 of them basically collecting dust.But you all just go ahead and buy them.Don't say that you weren't warned. There is a minor dead zone in the G25/27 series.I had to be told about it as I really never noticed it was there. You made the right decision getting the G27.I recently saw a pie graph showing what wheels people are using to race with.Logitech had by far the highest amount of users with the least amount of complaints and Fanatec had a much lower share of the graph with by far the most complaints. People buy logitec toys because they are cheap, they don't even compare to any Fanatec wheel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tinker 15 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 People buy logitec toys because they are cheap, they don't even compare to any Fanatec wheel That is so full of BS. I am in the same situation as Johnny except instead of two GT3RS I have two Turbo S sitting collecting dust since I bought into the FANATEC coolaid sooner. What a waste of money and most important TIME getting even one to work correctly. My G25 has been going strong for many years and when and if it dies, I will get a G27 (G29 or what ever comes by that time) or some other replacement, def will not be a FANATEC as it stands right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaTaPulT 658 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 People buy logitec toys because they are cheap, they don't even compare to any Fanatec wheel Agreed with Tinker. I have a Fanatec GT2 wheel and worthless clubsport pedals sitting in the basement collecting dust. I'm currently using a T500RS and love it, puts the Fanatec stuff to shame and I still have my trusty 4 year old G25 on my GF's rig and it's still going strong. Going by the pole that ISRT did not too long ago, the G25/G27 won that pole by a considerable margin, why you may ask, they are a good wheel and reliable, something Fanatec isn't. My thoughts about Fanatec after I spent a small fortune on their so called gear (me, the customer got the gears), I wouldn't touch Fanatec again with a 10 foot pole, very expensive junk is what they are. Take care Regards: >>>> Jack <<<< Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tinker 15 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 Agreed with Tinker. I have a Fanatec GT2 wheel and worthless clubsport pedals sitting in the basement collecting dust. I'm currently using a T500RS and love it, puts the Fanatec stuff to shame and I still have my trusty 4 year old G25 on my GF's rig and it's still going strong. Going by the pole that ISRT did not too long ago, the G25/G27 won that pole by a considerable margin, why you may ask, they are a good wheel and reliable, something Fanatec isn't. My thoughts about Fanatec after I spent a small fortune on their so called gear (me, the customer got the gears), I wouldn't touch Fanatec again with a 10 foot pole, very expensive junk is what they are. Take care Regards: >>>> Jack <<<< Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hennessey86 8 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 Agreed with Tinker. I have a Fanatec GT2 wheel and worthless clubsport pedals sitting in the basement collecting dust. I'm currently using a T500RS and love it, puts the Fanatec stuff to shame and I still have my trusty 4 year old G25 on my GF's rig and it's still going strong. Going by the pole that ISRT did not too long ago, the G25/G27 won that pole by a considerable margin, why you may ask, they are a good wheel and reliable, something Fanatec isn't. My thoughts about Fanatec after I spent a small fortune on their so called gear (me, the customer got the gears), I wouldn't touch Fanatec again with a 10 foot pole, very expensive junk is what they are. Take care Regards: >>>> Jack <<<< Fair enough, that is your experience. Mine on the other hand is the opposite, I went form a logitec to a Fanatec and have never looked back, can't comment on the t500 as I have never used one. I want a CSR elite next Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
APEKS 159 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 No sorry, this will always end up as a war. Fact is people like Logitech others like Fanatec, get a fanatec never breaks it's a solid wheel maybe better than the logitech even, but for me they break. I mean come on I had a GT3, GT2 and CSR elite, porsche pedals and then Clubsport pedals they all hav problems, my g27 is fine and my g25 pedals are top notch. I like fanatec, the CSP are one of the best finished pedals sets I hav ever seen but come on that load cell, really? Between the two makers? ok I am biased and its way in the favor of logitech Edit: See what I mean about war, I mean this topic is about deadzone right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soups 55 Report post Posted July 27, 2012 Ok now the question was what is "Deadzone"? Not how crappy or uncrappy wheels are ! Save that for another topic somewhere in the hardware section. Ok now what is deadzone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaTaPulT 658 Report post Posted July 28, 2012 Sorry, wasn't trying to start a flame war. My experience with Fanatec is less than desirable, I waited 3 months to get my GT2 clubsport edition when that wheel came out. I think I was more excited about getting the pedals than the wheel to be honest. The pedals had a problem out of the box, I couldn't hold down the clutch and throttle up, one pedal would cancel the other one out. Did the email and did the video and sent to Fanatec, they sent me replacement parts. Now when the pedals are plugged into the GT2 wheel, they work great, but when they are plugged into a USB port, they work fine for a little while when getting into a sim, but once you start driving (any sim or game) all of a sudden you only get 70 to 80% throttle with the pedal pressed all the way down. I finally gave up and shelved the pedals. The GT2 wheel, I hate this wheel due to the thicker rim, the lack of response, can't really put a finger on it to explain, best I can come up with is it just feels sluggish. Being so anxious to get my CSP's and to get defective ones was a real big disappointment. Now with my T500RS, the wheel is so much more responsive than the GT2, the pedals with included brake mod work well. I guess, the thing just works and that's what I like about the T500RS and my old G25, the thing just works. For Tinker: Agreed, if my CSP's would have worked as well as for so many people, I'd probably still be using them, unfortunately, they don't so my experience with CSP's is less then desirable. I don't have the time to mess with these to see if I can fix them, when I have free time, I want to race, not troubleshoot hardware that should have worked from day one, maybe one day when I retire and have lots of time, I'll dig the CSP's out again and mess with them then, until then, they are a really pretty and expensive paper weight. For all Fanatec users that actually got working hardware, congratulations and enjoy your Fanatec stuff, my experience with Fanatec is one that I will never even consider Fanatec for anything ever again. Take care Regards: >>>> Jack <<<< Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flaz 0 Report post Posted July 28, 2012 I just updated the iRacing service last night, and i noticed they have this new app.ini located in the my document folder. I set SteeringFFBBaseOffset to 0.10 and there you have it! What they used to be called as DEADZONE is GONE! Well at least that how i feel. Will try to tweak it around to see what the best setting for my G27. G27 For The Win! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
