TCOne 2013: Archive (RACE, WTCC)

[Reggie Blain 6]

Great to be back racing in the ATCC with all u guys really enjoyed the event,

 

Quali: my quali lap could of been better as i had a lock up and a big slide in T1 what lost me time but happy with P8

 

Race 1: Rolling start didnt go to good for me, lost a few positions before T1 and was of track on T3 so eneded up P11 on lap 1 so i got my head down and pushed for P8 for the reverse grid for race 2. Pitted early and when i left the pits i had clean air so tried my best to be fast and consistent. After the pit stops i was in P8 with a hard charging Diogo Lopez all over me, tried my best to survive but Lopez got past and pulled away so P9 

 

Race 2: Standing start was ok i started 9th and was in P8 for T1 and tbh it was a lonely race for me as the leading pack was pulling away so i tried my best to control the gap between me and Chris Shepard who was chasing me down. I kept my head down and with a good pit stop i finished 8th 

 

Overall i am happy with the results inside the top ten for both races but have to work on the feeling on the car after the pit stops.

 

Thanks to the TPS crew for the event, Ryan and Toby for another great broadcast. Oh 1 more thing guys please dont sack the Information/Speculation Elf  lol

[Rhys Gardiner 273]

Work is progressing on an article reviewing the first 3 rounds of the season, in light of the holiday break. Expect it in a few days! 

[Mathias Bonne 2]

Driver: Mathias Bonne

Team: Optimum Motorsport

Car: Alfa Romeo

1st preferred car number: 49

2nd preferred car number: 89

[Reggie Blain 6]

Will the server for the next round be going up any time soon

[Ryan Callan 2,576]

Been up since last weekend . But was down tonight for a while.

[Ray Lilley 140]

Why not use the "Simracing League Sytem"?

[Ryan Callan 2,576]

Why would we want to do that?

[Ray Lilley 140]

Oh dear!! It's a Live Timing application, I believe?

[Ryan Callan 2,576]

It's a results system like GPCOS, with an added Live Timing feature.

 

However, it is neither as powerful nor useful as GPCOS as a results system, and the Live Timing feature is as limited as the seperate Live Timing feature we've had in the past, and not to be too blunt about it, therefore not worth the effort.

 

[Rhys Gardiner 273]

I had a terrible nightmare early this morning... that I had completely forgotten about the next round, and jumped on the server just as the race was starting, only to find that my wheel wasn't plugged in.

 

I woke up in a cold sweat.

[David Jundt 187]

Good thing the next race is next year(11th January) then

 

Possible penalties from last round are yet to be announced... I guess the chaos on the opening lap from both races is taking a bit longer to be inspected.

[Jonatan Åcerclinth 400]

Good thing the next race is next year(11th January) then

 

Possible penalties from last round are yet to be announced... I guess the chaos on the opening lap from both races is taking a bit longer to be inspected.

And a Report I sent in I'm affraid

[Reggie Blain 6]

Hope every 1 had a good xmas

[Danny Asbury 382]

I had a terrible nightmare early this morning... that I had completely forgotten about the next round, and jumped on the server just as the race was starting, only to find that my wheel wasn't plugged in.

 

I woke up in a cold sweat.

 

I can't tell you how many times I've had dreams like this. So I know exactly the feeling.

 

Usually it happens the night before the event though.

[David Jundt 187]

The WSS race at Brasilia was a week after the Hungaroring round yet their incidents&penalties have alreay been announced. I doubt there were no penalties at all, I was involved in a accident myself on lap one of race 2(and as lap one incidents get checked anyway, I didn't hand in a report).

 

Any news?

[Jonatan Åcerclinth 400]

I got a PM from Ivan yesterday. 

 

He had then spent 12 hours looking for cuts in race 1 for D1 so I would expect that to be done by tomorrow (both divs) if he can spend as much time today and tomorrow

[David Jundt 187]

I got a PM from Ivan yesterday. 

 

He had then spent 12 hours looking for cuts in race 1 for D1

 

:blink:

 

Holy lord! Does he have to check them all alone?!?

 

Someone needs to give this man a medal when he's done. No, seriously.

[Ethan Bass 105]

Anyone who puts in the countless hours that is needed prior, during and after a league to run it well are due medals because until you actually do it yourself, you never know the amount of work that goes into getting everything working right so everyone can show up, and enjoy their racing without an hiccups.

[Ivan Navarro 282]

Well, I don't know about a medal. Maybe if I had done it in a week that would have merited some praise. I do apologize for this taking so long.

The fact is there was a lot of cutting. And just about everyone got the pit entry wrong.

For as many screenies posted, I feel like I should have posted a few of the chicane and the pit entry as well, just to clarify.

On the other hand, the examples are the same and the sames rules apply, as ever. So, it's also a bit disappointing that everyone got it all so wrong, given the maturity of this league and the driving standards that are expected in the TPS.

Anyway, I have everything mostly done and just need to go over it with other admins first. As Jonatan said, I hope to have it all posted up this weekend. I didn't want to spoil everyone's Christmas with penalties! At least, that's my story!

[Ivan Navarro 282]

Round 3:

Div 1, Qualifying
 

Driver: Francisco Villar
Penalty: 4 points, plus loss of pole position (Awarded to P2, Kilov)
Time: Turns: T4, T11, T6 (Chicane, T=288)
Reason: Track Boundary Violation

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Driver: Chris Sheperd
Penalty: 4 points
Time: Turns: T6 (T=384) (Big cut)
Reason: Track Boundary Violation

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Driver: Reggie Blain
Penalty: Warning
Time: Turns: T1, T6 (T=378.6)
Reason: Track Boundary Violation

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Driver: Keith Barrick
Penalty: Warning
Time: Turns: T4 Exit, T6 (T=304.35)
Reason: Track Boundary Violation

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Driver: Dariusz Wielgosz
Penalty:4 points
Time: Turns: T4 Exit, T6, T10, T10 Exit, T11 Exit
Reason: Track Boundary Violation

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Driver: Dariusz Swiderski
Penalty: 4 points
Time: Turns: T6 (T=309.8) (Big cut)
Reason: Track Boundary Violation

 

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Div 1, Race 1
 

(Except for Lap 1, laps are referenced to in-game lap, i.e., Lap 3 2ndt lap of race, etc.)

 

Driver: Andre Caiado
Penalty: 5 points, 1 endorsement
Time: Lap 1, T2 (T=327)
Reason: Contact with Diogo Lopes

Explanation: Andre brakes too late and hits Diogo putting him wide and costing him the position. 

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Driver: Diogo Lopes
Penalty: 8 points, 2 endorsements
Time: Lap 1, T2 and 3
Reason: Unsafe rejoin causing a major incident

Explanation: After Diogo is put wide by Caiado he rejoins OK but is hit by Reggie Blain sending him wide again, this time onto the grass. Diogo rejoins the track and moves to the center of the track, setting up for T3 but Borges and Blain are two-wide and already taking an aggressive line into T3. Diogo makes contact with Blain, which pushes him into Borges who gets turned around at the corner exit, causing a chain reaction behind with dire consequences for Nelson's, Gardiner's, and Daniel Wood's races. Penalties would normally be doubled for this type of first lap incident but there are some mitigating circumstances reducing the penalty slightly.

 

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Div 1, Race 1 - Other Penalties:
 

• Exceding allowable track boundaries - 10-19, 4 points; 20-29, 8 points; 30-39, 12 points; 40 or more, DQ and 16 points (or more, including combination of penalty points and championship points lost.)
   
   

  (Of the Top 10 finishers, 8 were seen exceeding the track boundaries to some degree during qualifying and were therefore spot checked for cutting in the race. A few drivers were also reported for cutting. For reference - Keithly ran wide once, and Gonçalves had two track boundary violations in the first five racing laps, so I stopped looking.)

   

  Driver: Francisco Villar
  Penalty: 5 points, 2 endorsements, demoted to P2 (5 points penalty plus 3 points difference from P1 to P2 = 8 points)
  Reason: 28 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Simon Kilov
  Penalty: Disqualified, 3 endorsements
  Reason: 42 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Miguel Neto
  Penalty: 8 points, 2 endorsements
  Reason: 23 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Chris Sheperd
  Penalty: 12 points, 3 endorsements
  Reason: 39 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Andre Caiado
  Penalty: 8 points, 2 endorsements
  Reason: 26 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Keith Barrick
  Penalty: 12 points, 3 endorsements
  Reason: 33 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Diogo Lopes
  Penalty: 4 points, 1 endorsements
  Reason: 11 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Reggie Blain
  Penalty: 8 points, 2 endorsements
  Reason: 24 Track Boundary violations

 

• Pit Lane Violations - 4 points per occurrence
  • None

 

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Div 1, Race 2
 
 

Driver: Daniel Wood

Penalty: 5 points, 2 endorsements
Time: Lap 1 (T=141.2)
Reason: Contact with Ferreira

Explanation: Daniel makes a late inside move on Ferreira going into T1. Vinicius leaves room inside but Daniel is not on a tight enough line and clips Vinicius, collecting Borges and Gardiner. Double endorsements are given for first lap incident involving mltiple cars.

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Driver: Yuri Braham
Penalty: 5 points, 2 endorsements
Time: Lap 1 (Starting at T=189)
Reason: Contact with Borges

Explanation: Borges is making an inside move at the first part of the chicane, they are side by side at the 2nd part. Yuri makes contact on exiting the chicane and Carlos gets turned around losing six positions as a result. First lap incident earns double endorsements.

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Driver: Jack Keithley
Penalty: 5 points, 1 endorsement
Time: Lap 8 (T=966)
Reason: Contact with Kilov

Explanation: After exiting the pits, Keithley hits the back of Kilov heading into T1 causing Simon to lose the position.

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Driver: Francisco Villar
Penalty: 5 points, 1 endorsement
Time: Lap 8 (T=983)
Reason: Contact with Kilov

Explanation: Villar hits the back of Kilov at T2 apex pushing him wide causing Simon to lose the position.

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Driver: Carlos Borges

Penalty: 5 points, 1 endorsement
Time: Lap 10 (T=1223)
Reason: Contact with Daniel Wood

Explanation: Borges hits the back of Wood at T1 entry pushing him in front of Wielgosz causing Daniel to lose two positions.
 

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Div 1, Race 2 - Other Penalties:
 

• Exceding allowable track boundaries - 10-19, 4 points; 20-29, 8 points; 30-39, 12 points; 40 or more, DQ and 16 points (or more, including combination of penalty points and championship points lost.)
   

  (Of the Top 10 finishers, 8 were seen exceeding the track boundaries to some degree during qualifying and were therefore spot checked for cutting in the race. A few drivers were also reported for cutting. For reference - Keithly ran wide once at T4, and Gonçalves had three track boundary violations in first eight laps so I stopped looking.)

   

  Driver: Diogo Lopes
  Penalty: Loss of race win, demoted to 2nd place, plus 1 point (makes 4 point total), 1 endorsements
  Reason: 13 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Francisco Villar
  Penalty: 8 points, 2 endorsements
  Reason: 29 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Simon Kilov
  Penalty: 8 points, 2 endorsements
  Reason: 29 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Miguel Neto
  Penalty: 8 points, 2 endorsements
  Reason: 29 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Andre Caiado
  Penalty: 12 points, 3 endorsements
  Reason: 35 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Keith Barrick
  Penalty: Disqualification, 3 endorsements
  Reason: 42 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Reggie Blain
  Penalty: 12 points, 3 endorsements
  Reason: 31 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Yuri Braham
  Penalty: 8 points, 2 endorsements
  Reason: 25 Track Boundary violations

 

• Pit Lane Violations - 4 points per occurrence
  • None.

 
 

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Div 2, Qualifying
 

Driver: Pedro Amaral
Penalty: Warning
Time: Turns: T4, T4 Exit, T11
Reason:Track Boundary Violation

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Driver: Hugo Barbosa
Penalty: 4 points
Time: Turns: Outlap T13, T4 Exit, T6, T13 Exit
Reason: Track Boundary Violation

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Driver: Brett Gray
Penalty: Warning
Time: Turns: T4 Exit, T6
Reason: Track Boundary Violation

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Driver: Burim Bunjaku
Penalty: 4 points
Time: Turns: T6, T11 Exit
Reason: Track Boundary Violation

 

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Div 2, Race 1
  

Driver: Ivan Navarro
Penalty: 3 points, 1 endorsement
Time: Lap 1 (T=188)
Reason: Contact with Søvik

Explanation: Navarro brakes too late into T11 and hits the back of Scott. Ivan waits and gives the position back, reducing the penalty and endorsements by half.

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Driver: Hugo Barbosa
Penalty: 5 points, 2 endorsements
Time: Lap 1 (T=193)
Reason: Contact with Åcerclinth

Explanation: Hugo brakes too late on a narrow line heading into T12 and makes contact with Jonatan, costing him the leadon the opening lap and any chance of a possible win. Double endorsement for lap one incident with consequences.

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Driver: Steve Hoppitt
Penalty: 5 points, 2 endorsements
Time: Lap 1 (T=144)
Reason: Contact with Phelan and Barron

Explanation: Steve brakes too late on a very narrow line heading into the fast T4 left-hander. He locks up and runs into Dennis and Matthew, who collects Bunjaku and Beranek, affecting multiple cars on the opening lap. Double endorsement for lap one incident invloving multiple cars.

 

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Div 2, Race 1 - Other Penalties:
 

• Exceding allowable track boundaries - 10-19, 4 points; 20-29, 8 points; 30-39, 12 points; 40 or more, DQ and 16 points (or more, including combination of penalty points and championship points lost.)
   

  (Of the Top 10 finishers, 8 were seen exceeding the track boundaries to some degree during qualifying and were therefore spot checked for cutting in the race.

   

  Driver: Pedro Amaral
  Penalty: 4 points, 2 endorsements
  Reason: 29 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Hugo Barbosa
  Penalty: 6 points, 3 endorsements
  Reason: 31 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Jonatan Åcerclinth
  Penalty: 2 points, 1 endorsements
  Reason: 10 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Andy Vandevelde
  Penalty: 2 points, 1 endorsements
  Reason: 12 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Ivan Navarro
  Penalty: 2 points, 1 endorsements
  Reason: 11 Track Boundary violations

 

• Pit Lane Violations - 2 points per occurrence
  • None.

 

• Use of incorrect livery - 4 points
  • Burim Bunjaku

 

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Div 2, Race 2
 

Driver: Hugo Barbosa
Penalty: 5 points, 1 endorsements
Time: Lap 1 (T=188)
Reason: Contact with Amaral and Navarro

Explanation: Barbosa brakes too late going into the chicane and hits the back of Amaral, who is pushed into Navarro and dropped from 4th to 9th as a result.

 

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Div 2, Race 2 - Other Penalties:

• Exceding allowable track boundaries - 10-19, 4 points; 20-29, 8 points; 30-39, 12 points; 40 or more, DQ and 16 points (or more, including combination of penalty points and championship points lost.)
   

  (Of the Top 10 finishers, 8 were seen exceeding the track boundaries to some degree during qualifying and were therefore spot checked for cutting in the race.

   

  Driver: Jonatan Åcerclinth
  Penalty: 2 points, 1 endorsements
  Reason: 11 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Andy Vandevelde
  Penalty: 2 points, 1 endorsements
  Reason: 18 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Pedro Amaral
  Penalty: Disqualification, 3 endorsements
  Reason: 42 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Mathew Barron
  Penalty: 4 points, 2 endorsements
  Reason: 21 Track Boundary violations

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  Driver: Ivan Navarro
  Penalty: 2 points, 1 endorsements
  Reason: 13 Track Boundary violations

 

• Pit Lane Violations - 2 points per occurrence
  • Vandevelde, Pit Exit

 

• Use of incorrect livery - 4 points
  • Burim Bunjaku

[Ivan Navarro 282]

Incidents and Penalties have been posted HERE

 

Standings have been updated HERE

 

Drivers now have 48 hours to register an appeal.

[Ivan Navarro 282]

Keith Barrick has now been removed from the championship due to acquiring 9 endorsements in 3 rounds. The following drivers are close to reaching the endorsement limit of 8 endorsements and must be careful:
 

Barbosa -  7 endorsements

 

Borges -   6 endorsements

Caiado -   6 endorsements
Kilov -       6 endorsements

 

Åcerclinth - 5 endorsements
Amaral -     5 endorsements

Blain -        5 endorsements

Villar -        5 endorsements

[Francisco Villar 2]

Hi guys.

 

First of all, I wanna wish a happy new year for everyone in our community.

 

Now I would like to reflect on the penalties awarded for "cutting" in the Hungaroring round. First, a mention to Ivan that I heard that spent a huge amount of hours looking at everyones race (as we understand by the penalties, corner by corner).

 

My opinion is that, if we are racing drivers, we are all seeking the limits. And when you are pushing your limits, it is anything but normal that sometimes you lose a portion of control, and as a consequence your line is affected. Should this be considered "cutting"?!  Not in my opinion, only if you deliberately do it, and it is clear that you are gaining time with it. Would not it be clear for everyone if someone was deliberately doing it?!! Would not it be commented straight from the commentators Ryan and Toby? They are usually very good at spotting "abnormal" things, and there was nothing that they pointed out during the broadcast, because there was nothing "unreal" from anyone. I actually commented with Ryan at the end of the race, that I thought that everyone behaved accordingly, and even though I had spotted some ppl going out of the track boundaries, it never seemed with the purpose of gaining time.

Speaking for myself, most of the times that I went out of the "boundaries" of the track in the Hungaroring races, it was due to driving mistakes, as the conditions of the tyres, brakes, etc keep deteriorating and you can't help but lose some control. In the case of Hungaroring, it just meant that I went wide a few times; if it was a street circuit I would have it the wall a few times as well, as I do not have 100% control of the car at all times.

 

My point here is that every driver I spoke with was happy with everyone else's behavior on that matter, and I think this is the biggest compliment everyone can have.

 

The penalties are, in my opinion, ultra-strict, and that would be the kind of penalties that should be given in a geometry test, not in a racing track.Touring pro series is in my opinion the community with the better "common-sense" in these situations, but in this case it seems like everyone forgot we are racing drivers and not robots .Giving all the merit for Ivan's hard work, I wonder if this is necessary at all. It seems to me that we, the racing drivers, are somehow being treated like "criminals" that as soon as an inch goes wrong in our trajectory line, we have a police man to "award" us a penalty.

 

Feel free to comment on my opinion =)

 

Francisco

[William Levesque 157]

Which is why penalties are given with the percentage of cuts versus the number of laps.

 

If you cut 5 times in a 20 laps race, no big deal. If you cut 15 times in a 20 laps race, you will be penalised, simple as that.

[Erik Tveit 407]

If it wasn't for the rules being "ultra-strict" the drivers would use that to their own advantage and then run out wide all the way, gain on it, and tell everyone "my tires were gone".

 

As a racing driver you are driving with rules, and the rules is to follow, so when you break one of these rules you get penalized, that's just how life works. Compare it to real life, if you shoot another guy by mistake, while you really were shooting for a bear, you would still get a case against you, where a judge judges the situation. Where it can go two ways, it was a mistake, or it was deliberately. Same goes for here, if Ivan counts it as a count because you drove over the track boundaries, obviously its then Ivan choice to penalize you or not for that one. And obviously if you do it several times it seems more like it was deliberately then a mistake, right?