G27 Query

[pb73 0]

I'm new to using wheels and the G27 is my first purchase, so far, not too pleased with it.

It has no sense of fine movement in the wheel, especially when turning the wheel about 10-15 degrees, it feels like theres a big gap gap in the mechanism and it judders from left to right as if its missing a cog.

This makes taking any turns very harsh and i keep on having to correct the wheel and fighting it even when its a slow speed.

I don't know if this is normal for this type of wheel or if my wheel has a fault..

All i can say is that it has ruined my expectation for trying to race proper sims like iRacing as it makes it nearly impossible.

I've tried the wheel in GTR Evo, GT Legends, rFactor, iracing & GT5 and its the same in all games. Even when i constantly adjust the ffb in the pc games its still juddering like mad.

Is this normal??

Thanks

[Defcon Won 1]

To start with, use ISR's recommended settings.

I forget the category names, but the figures are:

100

0

0

0

360 (degrees of rotation you want)

Check all but combined pedals.

(see the rFactor or G27 reviews to verify, I forget which it was in)

In game you need to tweak settings a lot.

For Race 07, I can get a screenshot of my settings for you if you want, but then I also went into the configuration (by comparing to a set up from FreeJRS at NoGrip and there is a built in deadzone. Find your wheel configuration file, open with notepad and find this line and change it to match:

Axis [00, 00] Dead Zone="0.00000" // Controller 1 X

Between that and the ISR settings, the game takes over and FFB is very nice. Took a bit for me to get used to not having the spring return, but this lets the wheel STOP at your chosen rotation. I found it to be an immediate improvement in racing.

Or, you could go find some set ups like "FEELS REAL G25 FFB SETTINGS for RACE 07/GTR EVO by FreeJRS V2.0"

I can't find the link though. It's for G25, but you can adapt it or "see all wheels" or something like that and find the configuration in the game.

I think there is another set up out there for G27 too you may want to try, search nogripracing.com

Getting FFB right in each game is a little bit of a pain to get right, but it's worth it.

[CaTaPulT 658]

Did you install the Logitech profiler software?

In this software, you can tell the wheel to behave certain ways like adjusting the degrees of rotation, you might be set at 900 which would make it so you have to turn the wheel a lot to turn a little. It will also let you set center spring and FF strength.

Go here.....

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/441/5184?section=downloads&WT.ac=sc|downloads||dd

and choose the operating system you are using and download it.

Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[mci 12]

About that gap,i dont use G27 i use DFGT with clubsports ,both are Logitech wheels,G27 is better but i see it has same problem too.From my experience that gap or deadzone varies from game to game.I allways use same settings in profiler i just set up wheel in game.Of course i allways put deadzone at 0 but it certainly is not zero in any other game than nkpro.So my suggestion is try nkpro,its amazing how my DFGT has almost none gap in that sim while in Simbin titles and f12010 it has pretty much no matter how i set it up.Really in nkpro that centerinfg spring has effect even with just small wheel movement,so i guess its up to programers to make it work better.

[pb73 0]

Thanks for the replies.

I have the Logitech profiler and have set it up for iRacing. i've had 2 totally different setups for this game given to me and both have their faults.

i have tried the

100

0

0

0

And with the suggested degree of rotation at 900 (which i'm told is best for iracing as it adjust it ingame for each car).

This feels alot lightr steering but the juddering an notchy feel is very big, almost feels like the cogs inside are loose and just bouncing around.

I've also tried it at

107

100

100

100

This give a more firm wheel but also makes the steering harsh and difficult to finely adjust the wheel as when you need to countersteer, it can't adjust quick enough.

I know alot of adjustment is in the settings, but the wheel just doesn't feel right and is really hampering my feel for racing games.

I really wanted to invest in a decent wheel, cockpit & iRacing. But after using this wheel i having major second thoughts..

[CaTaPulT 658]

If you think there is something wrong with the wheel, call Logitech and see what your options are, making a video of the wheel doing what you explained might be helpful. Logitech's support is supposed to be very good, many people have gotten replacement wheels so it may be worth a try.

Good luck.

Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[Defcon Won 1]

almost feels like the cogs inside are loose and just bouncing around.

That doesn't sound good, the G27 is pretty smooth and quiet.

[pb73 0]

I did contact Logitech, they gave this response

Thank you for contacting Logitech's Customer Care.

Regarding the issue with your Logitech G27 Racing Wheel no sense of fine movement.

The wheel has 5 degrees on each side where the input is not received the rest is usualy on the in Game settings of the dead zones.

Did you check the specific game settings?

Did you adjust the Sensitivity and the wheel Degree of Rotation in game settings as well?

e.i. http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/485656.page

http://solidlystated.com/hardware/logit ... -settings/

I told them what settings i used but i did try those sites which basically told me stuff already about the differing settings to change.

I have gone through all the settings during the last week, changin every aspect 0-100 all all variations, still the notchy & juddering is there.

I'm going to have another go today but i really do feel that everything is not right with the wheel .

I've seen loads of vids on utube with the G27 and i've seen none giving that feel, they all look snooth and quiet.

If i can't get sorted today, its going to be returned.

Totally disapointed.

[CaTaPulT 658]

Strange.

I have a G25 I used for roughly 3 years, the thing has been rock solid since taking it out of the box back then.

The G27 is a good wheel also, maybe you just got a bad one, might be worth trying a exchange for another one.

I hope you get it sorted out so you can start having fun instead of being in wheel hardware hell.

Take care

Regards: >>>> Jack <<<<

[pb73 0]

Here's a quick video, couldn't really capture it properly as only had a little time left on the camera.

It shows the shaking we i do accept to be the FFb but its also mental when just turing the wheel slightly.

(It does get worse than this as well)

Driving the Legends car around Boston (iRacing)

[pb73 0]

Thanks for the replies, but i'm sending the wheels back for a refund.

I got a DFGT today and the wheel feels 100% better, no juddering, no notchy feel, just feels as it should.

I'm sure the G27 should feel as good if not alot better than this so i'm to the fact that the G27 is faulty, but as i can't be 100% sure, i'm not going to ask for a replacement, just going to ask for a refund.

I do hope in the furture i will get a G27 or similar wheel, as i'm sure it should be better than the DFGT, but i'm satisfied with it at the moment so it will have to do until i get to try a G27 or Fanatec similar.

[Artlaw 0]

So is FFB really this noisy? (not mine)

Some says that is normal and others that might be broken, but what is true? Or is it possible that FFB settings and other settings are f'd up?

G25 have two versions, older (0.5) is noisier than new version (101) (that's what i am heard) so it is possible that there are also two versions of G27 wheel? Version number might be in the cd or in the sticker somewhere, maybe in that paper where cd was.

If you G27 owners can check what number you have, (if you find) then we can look is there different versions and if is, is other more silent? I am grateful if you do so

[Scalpel38 0]

PB, I'm new to sim racing and bought my first wheel in January. It is also a G27. The 1st one I bought was defective. It did not feel right from the beginning, very loose. It ended up dying altogether, so Logitech sent me a new one. I had bought it directly from them.

My new wheel feels a lot different. It is tight, with a much better sense of control. I still needed to log some time with it to really get the feel, but I am very pleased with it. A buddy of mine owned the Fanatec 911 and the G27. He liked the G27 a lot better and sold his Fanatec (for a profit). I'd love to try the new Thrustmaster at some point, but dropping $600 on a wheel just is not in the cards right now.

[Artlaw 0]

So is FFB really this noisy? (not mine)

Some says that is normal and others that might be broken, but what is true? Or is it possible that FFB settings and other settings are f'd up?

G25 have two versions, older (0.5) is noisier than new version (101) (that's what i am heard) so it is possible that there are also two versions of G27 wheel? Version number might be in the cd or in the sticker somewhere, maybe in that paper where cd was.

If you G27 owners can check what number you have, (if you find) then we can look is there different versions and if is, is other more silent? I am grateful if you do so

Ok i am quite sure i found solution to that noise. Pretty interesting:

"its a factory fault, but logitech wont admit it. it will happen on all G27's with use. I have examined 2 of them. basically they have lengthened the motor shafts, so altered the motors a little. from what I can see, in order to cut costs perhaps, they have fitted cheaper or the wrong material spec axial fixed end motor bearings, they are too soft. because the the new helical gear is predisposed to the right hand side. i.e. it meshes to the right, it places extra lateral thrust on the right hand motor, causing that motor to work the back lash harder. The result is that this motor's inherant axial shaft play ( whis is needed for expansion /contraction) continues to strike the end bearing and wears it prematurely. This results in 1-2mm axial movement. Now Logitech thought they were being smart by introducing two plastic sprung loaded bearing stops into the plastic cover, to keep the motr shaft pushed in one direction. problem is they didnt have the sense to dampen plastic pots for sound transmission, + the spring is far too soft in the first place. Every time the motor armature moves back and forward under rapid loads, it clacks the extended axial shaft violently against the plastic bearing stop, resulting in a loud ~"clacking" noise and associated vibration. I can forsee that, eventually as this spring weakens with use, the brass gear will not mesh properly and wear out the plastic helical gear on the steering shaft too. Basically it is badly engineered, and not properly tested before release IMO. You can tell that Logitech noticed the issue, hence why they have introduced the plastic counter bearing pots. A poor solution to the problem. it doesnt actaully address the cause, it merely attempts to keep it in check by adding a feeble spring.

solutions

1) stronger counter bearing spring to stop the motor counter bearing bottoming out on the case...

2) fit a better motor in the first place, that requires less axial play to cope with expansion/contraction.

3) rubber dampers in the plastic bearing stop, to reduce the annoying clack..

I for one will not be putting another cent Logitechs way. The G27 build quality is dissapointing"

http://forums.logitech.com/t5/PC-Gaming ... d-p/515220

[pb73 0]

Well, i sent it back and got a full refund so i can't complain about the service.

I did get a DFGT as a short term wheel and i am sortof satisfied.

I don't get any of the notchy feel & that juddering is not evident so far. I do have a slight issue with the wheel in GT5 though.

When the car has a little knock and takes damage the wheel does shake abit (which i guess is simulating the damage) but if i try and continue driving the car the wheel shakes like made and judders all over the place, even making driving in a straight line impossible. It is so loud and violent that i've actually quit races rather than drive back to the pits as i feel like 1) i'm going to damage the wheel & 2) it actually hurts my hands trying to steer the car..

Oh, my joy with wheels