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Dirt Rally and 350mm steering Wheel

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Hi Mates,

Since Dirt Rally is becoming my favorite title after 5 years of use of my trusted g27 I decided to invert the pedals and getting a 350mm OMP racing wheel replica.

I have now maybe 2 hours of rally with the new setup and and so far those are my thoughts:

The inverted pedals i have no regrets except "why i did not do it before!" and after 10 minutes i was very comfortable with the new setup.

The Larger diameter wheel it is a different story.

Starting with the cons:

  • The dead zone is now much bigger now.
  • I detect much more the wobbling of the center axle. 
  • At time on the hairpin i spin out.
  • I feel I lost the precision i had with the smaller wheel.
  • FFB seems much lighter.
  • In the long straights i feel less stable.

Pros:

  • Better immersion of the game.
  • Better look.
  • The smaller wheel was toy-like now I feel like driving a real car.
  • More forgiving.
  • Easier  recoup from a bad trajectory.
  • Easier to drive while the right hand it is on the sequential shifter.
  • Better confort and driving position.

To minimize the cons I did the following:

  • Adjust the Max rotation to 450 degrees.
  • increase the Max FFB to 120%.
  • I am using some "racing" gloves (my old mountain bike gloves).

I need now the advise of the more experienced pros, if you guys have some tips or ideas to help me with the setup i will really appreciate.

I am sure i will not go back to the old setup, all this remind me when mountain biking and i had many problems end doubts going from clipped pedals to clipless pedals.

Thank you

Gigi aka TurboTurtle.

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INGAME Advanced wheel options: Steering Saturation = 100% Steering linearity = 0 Deadzones = 0% Soft lock = ON Center steering = ON Vibration & feedback: Self Align Torque (SAT) = 140% Wheel friction = 15% (above 50 adds some dead weight that I dont like. Especially countersteering) Tyre friction = 45% (adds some feeling of pressure of the tyres against the surface such understeering revealer or differentials acting) Suspension = 105% (adds some vibrations from the surface that I like; it provides immersion. Helps too feel weight transfers too) Tyre slip = 95% (adds some slight vibrations from the wheels under skidding condition) Collision = 100% (purely intended when you crash into trees, banks, traffic signals, poles,...) Soft lock = 150% (helps to show a bit clearly where is the wheel lock limit when using cars that has a lock below 900º) Steering Center Force = 150% (when you restart the car, this autocenter the wheel) LOGITECH PROFILER v Use special force feedback device settings Overal Effects Strenght = 107 Spring Effect Strenght = 105 (keep it lower than SAT) Damper Effect Strenght = 50 (above 60 interferes with overall effects) v Enable centering spring (enabled) Centering spring strenght = 0 v Use special steering wheel settings ? Report combined pedals (disabled) Degrees of rotation = 900º v Use special game settings v Allow game to adjust settings

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I'm thinking about inverting my G27 pedals aswell but they get a lot of dust on them in my house so I'm wondering how the pedals would hold up outside of their casing. Has anyone had issues with dust/dog hair after inverting theirs?

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50 minutes ago, alexus5995 said:

I'm thinking about inverting my G27 pedals aswell but they get a lot of dust on them in my house so I'm wondering how the pedals would hold up outside of their casing. Has anyone had issues with dust/dog hair after inverting theirs?

i think in any case are better exposed easy to service them, mine were full of dust when i pulled out of the case, i blow some air with an air-can and re-grease the gears

now i can check the level of dust and services them when needed.

 

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48 minutes ago, gquinn27 said:

FYI, a typical WRC car will have a steering wheel Dia of 310-330mm max

Older mk2 escorts may have been larger and dished

That make perfect sense!, I am already checking for an OMP 330 mm and i found one in ali express not expensive, maybe will be my Christmas present 

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On 12/3/2015, 8:07:35, TurboTurtle said:

i think in any case are better exposed easy to service them, mine were full of dust when i pulled out of the case, i blow some air with an air-can and re-grease the gears

now i can check the level of dust and services them when needed.

 

I might invert mine this weekend then. I didn't want to do it until the warranty period ran out but seeing as they don't sell the G27 anymore I couldn't get a replace under warranty anyway :? My rig was designed to have inverted pedals anyway haha, just never got round to doing it!

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Hi Mates,

After checking the web  and watching some youtube videos about the correct driving position in race car I lower my racing seat about 2 inches and i have to agree that having the steering wheel higher after some time of adaptation it is less tiring since you don't use as much the lat muscles and the arms are more relaxed.

Now I have a problem with the distance between the seat and the wheel. Since my rig of wood lack of adjustability if i crank the seat closer to the wheel, I get too crunched up  with the pedals and moving the pedals back   it is not an easy option since it need  major modification of the rig. i was contemplating the idea of getting a  deep dish wheel max 320mm that will shorten the distance of 90mm, I found 2 of the at a cheap price in ali express (i am a cheapskate!)

can you please share your opinons?I never try a deep dish wheel, i know are mostly used in drifting and i am not a rally expert so i am not sure if i am doing the right move.

I already got shot with the 350mm wheel that recently got that i still believe it is too large for rally, very accurate but at time clumsy and it is a better choice IMO for track days

Thank you.

Gigi

https://www.obutto.eu/store/proper-race-driving-position.html

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-2014-new-carbon-fiber-car-modification-steering-wheel-12-inch-carbon-fiber-PVC-Racing/2046561094.html

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-320mm-Racing-Sport-momo-SUEDE-Steering-Wheel-Universal-with-horn-13012-automobile-steering-wheel/1992830614.html

 

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On 12/3/2015 at 0:13 PM, alexus5995 said:

I'm thinking about inverting my G27 pedals aswell but they get a lot of dust on them in my house so I'm wondering how the pedals would hold up outside of their casing. Has anyone had issues with dust/dog hair after inverting theirs?

i had my g27 pedals out of the case and inverted for almost a year, at that time we had 8 cats and 3 dogs plus lived next to a massive field, and i think that they stayed cleaner as it was a snap to just wipe them down

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On 1/6/2016 at 0:28 PM, stevemontuno said:

i've never tried a deep dish either turbo so i can't give an opinion on whats best but i sure like the look of the bottom one mate

I like better the second one as well, the first one has a weird bolt pattern as well, for 20$ more eventually i will go for the suede one 

thank you and hope to see you on the league event, this week it is a suicidal mission be aware of the ravine behind the snow banks!

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26 minutes ago, TurboTurtle said:

I like better the second one as well, the first one has a weird bolt pattern as well, for 20$ more eventually i will go for the suede one 

thank you and hope to see you on the league event, this week it is a suicidal mission be aware of the ravine behind the snow banks!

Nice one mate,,,,my 80/20 will be delivered tomorrow so im hoping to be back up and running in the next couple of days ,,,so should be good for the next league event :grin:

Also received a CSW V2 from Fanatec today so buzzing about that too,,, :cool: 

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 i think a a 350mm wheel is way to big for rally. drove a couple of times with the raid 1 360 mm wheel the 70s class - opel kadett c ant the lancia staros and it was a pain. rotation was at 450 like every time in dirt... but the tm 599xx with the 300mm feels much better and smoother. but it could be a bit bigger...

im looking for a 320 / 330mm wheel like the qsp http://fullcartuning.com/qsp-racing-steeringwheels-suede-black-70mm

cant remember which group B monster hade this wheel style from sparco atm....

but a dish of 70mm is way to much for my rig and the modded t300 with quick release...

maybe i go with this http://fullcartuning.com/qsp-racing-steeringwheels-suede-black-flat-28008  and build some new skool rally wheel with a wrc style paddle...

heard about qsp wheel a couple of good things... they are cheap and have a fia license. so the cant be bad then many china or ebay clones^^

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For anyone wanting to use a real Mk1/Mk2 Escort Rally race wheel you can buy them new here. 

http://www.agmotorsport.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=226&TeKnoID=a941201668d4eb49bc0e3cd3cccb36c7

I'm thinking of getting one but at 350mm it's a little too large for my liking but it would feel great for the classic rally cars, 330mm feels about right to me for the more modern rally cars.

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After 3 months of waiting i finally received the 320mm deep dish as shown in the pics

Overall the feel and the look  is good and i believe the size is the sweet spot for rallying. The 350mm was out of proportion and was like driving a bus.

the FFB is back and no more mushi-mushi feeling , it is very quick and it improved control and reaction time.

In my case now the driving position is almost perfect,but the deep dish may not suit everybody.

The only thing that i dont like about this rim is the carbon fiber grip, it is very slippery and very stiff and i regret not listening the community and buy one with suede grip. I just hope that after few months of use the grip will improve, or if you have some ideas please share.

Recently i got another rim, a 330mm flat, el chipo "Drift" brand basically for free, i tried and that still feel a notch too large.

At priority 3 I will buy a 300mm just to test and  to add another piece to the collection.

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, UNKLE said:

I've always wondering this but why do  alot of rally drivers seem to prefer the deep dish wheel over a flat wheel with an extended shaft?

 

some cars REALLY benefit from particular rims and is one of the reasons i have such an obsession with them.
Deep dishes are very good in cars where you really have a lot of action on the steering wheel, and change hands releasing the wheel often, like I would sometimes take my deep dish for cars that even didn't use them, in DR at least, like group B 205, makes catching some slides a lot easier at some stages, at least in Monaco. All cars in the game that had such rims, all feel a lot nicer with them, easier to control to some extent I would say, except maybe R4s, which are fine with standard flat 320s.
Using these different rims for different cars has elevated the immersion and as a result the joy of rallying by quite a lot for me, I'd say almost twice as good if i had a single rim that would feel weird in some cars. Anyway, deep dish is the preferred rally rim for many. For precision though, in modern cars I much prefer your usual flat racing sparcos/omps/momos 320-330 dia, a lot more precise
Talking of my 350mm ones, 3 spoke corsica replica and an OMP 2 spoke one. Both very similar but 2 spoke vs 3 spoke had me wanting both already :)

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ive shot a new wheel last saturday^^ a new raid typ 13 320 mm for only 20€ o.O !!! its not a beauty but looks ok. but the quality is very good! its very stiff and the spokes are 4 mm thick.

bought the wheel actually for street races but for now its also my rally rim XD

i must say the 2 cm more then the 599xx stock rim make a big differance!!! also cranked the ffb of the t300 up to 95% and it feels awesome!!!  the next wheel will be the dished qsp 330mm^^

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