Forza 5 race Saturday 17th May 9PM (21:00) UK TIME

[PullThePlug666 5]

Assists, banned.. Other than manual clutch and steering. Cockpit view will be locked

 

 

 

Race – Road Atlanta - 28 laps

 

There will be 3 warm-up laps

 

 

 

 

Cars – You must go to buy cars, filter A class.

 

You're allowed to upgrade, but must stay in A class

 

 

 

You can convert 4wd cars if you wish, but all cars in race must be RW drive

 

4WD cars eligible are - Audi R8 V8 and V10, Ferrari FF, Ford RS200, Lambo Murcielago/Reventon/Aventador/Gallordo LP570-4 and Nissan GT-R Black Edition

 

 

 

KTM X-BOW, LOTUS 2-ELEVEN AND CATERHAM R5OO ARE BANNED

 

 

 

 

 

Please put your name and gamertag and I'll add you to the list.

 

 

 

 

 

1. Matt / ChickenShizzle

2. Peter / PullThePlug666

3.     / GTP_Christian_C

4.     / AnV CritcalYeti

5. Jason / GRD 4 3L

6. BigJayA / Jason 

7.     / RelaxedPRKid

8.     / DR1V474R 

9.     / MuffxDrivar (maybe)

10.   / Aggerdo

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[Simbo 8]

I'm up for this again.

 

Matt / ChickenShizzle

 

So normal steering is allowed this time? That's music to my ears!

 

I have absolutely no problem with banning assists (other than clutch and steering) but would it not be better to allow people to choose their preferred view? I think it would be a much more competitive race if people could choose a view they were used to driving with.

 

Just my opinion anyway

[PullThePlug666 5]

I'm up for this again.

 

Matt / ChickenShizzle

 

So normal steering is allowed this time? That's music to my ears!

 

I have absolutely no problem with banning assists (other than clutch and steering) but would it not be better to allow people to choose their preferred view? I think it would be a much more competitive race if people could choose a view they were used to driving with.

 

Just my opinion anyway

 

 

We were able to choose which steering on the first race, then I removed that option for the second as I felt its an assist. I don't think steering makes too much of an impact though which is why I don't mind allowing it for future races

 

Definitely not changing cockpit sorry.. There are other reasons for allowing it, such as attracting more people to the race; but I feel I'll be inviting GTA/chase camera people into these races which is something I'd like to avoid at all costs

 

Stick at it mate.. Always practice in cockpit view is what I say; as the braking points seem completely different compared to bumper or bonnet camera

[PullThePlug666 5]

Peter / PullThePlug666

[GTP_Christian_C 10]

I'm up for this again, will be in a RWD GT-R most likely, thanks for the concession on 4WD->RWD!

With regards to cockpit view, I always race in bonnet view apart from these races but, I always test and tune a car for these races in cockpit view, that way I get used to it and by the end I'm just as fast as I would be in bonnet view (in the race at Spa I actually went faster) I understand some don't have the same amount of time to prepare as I do though which makes it difficult.

[Simbo 8]

Don't get me wrong I still had loads of fun on Saturday and I enjoyed trying out cockpit view (I normally use bonnet).

 

I was purely thinking about making the race a bit more competitive as the pack was really stretched in the last race.

 

I'm looking forward to the next race regardless.

[GTP_Christian_C 10]

Personally, I don't mind if the view is locked/unlocked, I'll race either way and still have a good time. It's not up to me though, I agree the pack was spread out a lot but I think that comes from needing more sign ups, we had 8, if we could double that number I'm sure we would get the racing a bit closer, I'm not sure it would be any closer with the view type open.

Pretty sure for this race straight line speed will be king (and the race very long with 28 laps!).

[PullThePlug666 5]

We'll see on the view. Not sure any argument will change it though. Like I said, I want to try and ensure a certain quality of driver signs up. If I start making the lobby settings easier, then I'll get loads of people I don't want to be racing with join up. I do not want to be racing with assist people, and non-cockpit is a huge assist imo.. 

 

 

RE 28 laps.. Only 8 more than Silverstone and Spa; and the laps will be 1:25 to 1:30 as opposed to 2:10+ per lap. Haven't tried a run of it yet, but the race may even be shorter than the last two

[PullThePlug666 5]

AnV CritcalYeti signed up via Forza forum

[GRD 4 3L 28]

Jason / GRD 4 3L

 

If I can use normal steering, I'm in.

[GTP_Christian_C 10]

RE 28 laps.. Only 8 more than Silverstone and Spa; and the laps will be 1:25 to 1:30 as opposed to 2:10+ per lap. Haven't tried a run of it yet, but the race may even be shorter than the last two

At Road America? I've not ran A class around there but that seems pretty fast? I thought times would have been closer to 2 minutes? 

[aggerdo 10]

I'm in.

Hope it is gonna stay as locked cockpit, while I don't use it when I'm normally racing it makes this a good challenge.

Why we were spread out last race was cos a few of us were caught out with sim steering on.

Re laps, think Plugs getting Road America and Road Atlantla mixed up.

[GTP_Christian_C 10]

I'm in.

Hope it is gonna stay as locked cockpit, while I don't use it when I'm normally racing it makes this a good challenge.

Why we were spread out last race was cos a few of us were caught out with sim steering on.

Re laps, think Plugs getting Road America and Road Atlantla mixed up.

That would make sense then!

 

Can I also raise a concern about the F50, I was led to believe it was a pretty dominant car? not sure if that was A or S class though.

[PullThePlug666 5]

Fuck, its supposed to be Road Atlanta 

 

And yes, I don't mind normal steering. That will be allowed again from now on

[PullThePlug666 5]

Yeah I was a bit dubious about the F40 and F50.. I don't want to ban them as I'm already screwing around with it from my mistakes.. If people want to use those cars, that's cool. I'm definitely not though.. Look at the leaderboards, they didn't seem as dominant in this class at this track in fairness

[BigJayA 195]

Count me in this week dude......BigJayA / Jason

[GTP_Christian_C 10]

Just ran a 28 lap run, here's the info of roughly what to expect :

 

• It took 41 minutes, although I had a few fairly major spins (no damage) so you're looking around 40minutes for the race I reckon.
• Fastest time was a 1:26.262
• Absolutely no tyre degradation again, at 41% wear (F&R) on my last lap I ran a 1:26.306
• The left side tyres take a bit of a hammering, roughly a 5% wear difference L/R
• Despite the long straight this is very much a handling track, a fast car in the S bends is worth more than a fast one down the straight in lap time but you'll struggle to overtake since the only real passing point is at the chicane unless you're stuck to the back of someone in the S bends
• An MR car is difficult in the S bends
• Setting the car up soft and with good damping so it can handle the kerbs is recommended since the top of the hill and chicane are places where you can gain a lot of time if you can run the inside wheels on the kerbs.
• Slight understeer bias is recommended for consistency in the high speed corners.

I'm also going to be posting my setup at a later date if anyone wants to try it/compare with.

[Simbo 8]

I'd already earmarked the F50 for this

With my performance in the last race I'm sure you've got nothing to worry about!

[PullThePlug666 5]

Urgh.. I replied to you all then and it deleted.  

 

 

 

Jay,, I put the race an hour earlier just for you

 

 

Christian,, Nice one on the information. I'm sure we'll all find it very useful. Which car were you running in? Your beastly 4wd convert?

And great idea of sharing. I was going to share mine last week, but my car was DLC and had an odd weight/balance compared to the rest.. Once I have a crack at it properly I'll share any info of use (inc setup).. Well done though, very thorough and very useful

 

 

Simbo dude,, Hell yes on the F50.. I have no idea what to run yet, and I spent 2 million tokens on cars :/  Some kind of McLaren perhaps

And man.. If you can do bonnet, you'll get the hang of cockpit no problem over time. I know the last race was a bit boring perhaps. I was basically racing myself for most of it too. But its a good chance to pump a decent amount of laps in during one sitting and get used to it a bit more. I start fading during races around half-way, so I've got loads to work on.. Only Christian is a robot here Being as they're just fun races for now, its a great way to get used to long bouts of concentration under extreme difficulty. You'll be fucking off the normal steering before you know it boss

[aggerdo 10]

Just tried the Merc black series.

Pretty quick, a 1:26.1xx, but boy it got the turning ability of a steam boat

[GTP_Christian_C 10]

Urgh.. I replied to you all then and it deleted.  

 

 

 

Jay,, I put the race an hour earlier just for you

 

 

Christian,, Nice one on the information. I'm sure we'll all find it very useful. Which car were you running in? Your beastly 4wd convert?

And great idea of sharing. I was going to share mine last week, but my car was DLC and had an odd weight/balance compared to the rest.. Once I have a crack at it properly I'll share any info of use (inc setup).. Well done though, very thorough and very useful

 

 

Simbo dude,, Hell yes on the F50.. I have no idea what to run yet, and I spent 2 million tokens on cars :/  Some kind of McLaren perhaps

And man.. If you can do bonnet, you'll get the hang of cockpit no problem over time. I know the last race was a bit boring perhaps. I was basically racing myself for most of it too. But its a good chance to pump a decent amount of laps in during one sitting and get used to it a bit more. I start fading during races around half-way, so I've got loads to work on.. Only Christian is a robot here Being as they're just fun races for now, its a great way to get used to long bouts of concentration under extreme difficulty. You'll be fucking off the normal steering before you know it boss

 

Yeah it was my GT-R   It's a heavy, heavy car though, not sure it has the pace of some of the other cars on offer but I'm going to keep working with it and also sort a backup car at the same time just in case the GT-R doesn't work out, I think I can get a little more laptime out of it but not much.

 

I'm going to do another run again later and try and sort a bit more info out, I'd still really like to see a mandatory pitstop though, It would add another dynamic to the race and maybe give those that had made a mistake (got damage) early on the chance to get back into the race.

 

I'm not that much of a robot, I still made mistakes at silverstone including a spin at around lap 6ish! There was a point midway where I thought you were going to catch me before the end and I had to really dig deep, I'm amazed the car didn't go off. I made a last minute gearing alteration before the start (to use all 6 gears instead of 5) which removed the main problem I'd been having with the car where it would break traction on the change from 3rd to 4th, complete and utter luck that it worked!

 

In terms of Road Atlanta track tips, the main thing is getting the car turned in, even if it's a little early it's better than late. It's a strange track in that there's no corner which isn't laptime critical, the main ones as far as I can tell though are:

• 1 - Keeping up momentum is vital although you're not hurt too much as the run to the top of the hill isn't too long, completely ruining though if you run so wide as to go off.
• 3 - Get the car so it can ride kerbs well, taking as much as is legal (keeping two wheels on track) is vital to a good run through the S bends, you'll struggle if the car is too stiff as it will either bounce out of the corner or upset the balance ruining the approach to the 1st s bend.
• 5 - You can run wide and you'll gain time but it will bring up the '!' so I take it as not legal, if you can't get the car turned in though it will ruin the run down into 6-7 (anyone behind you will have a run into the 2nd best overtaking spot on the track).
• 6-7 - 6 isn't so critical but you'll lose time if you aren't on the cambered inside line, 7 is critical as the straight is so long, if you get a bad run you'll lose 2-4 tenths on your best just on the straight alone.
• 10 - Get the car turned in, hit the apex cones and get on the throttle as soon as possible, it's vital not to lose too much speed here, if you out brake yourself even slightly you lose at least 5 tenths to the line, it's better to be too early on the brakes, lose a tenth and get a good run into the final corner.
• 12 - Not so much for this lap but for the next (I've come through here sideways and not noticed a large loss of time!), multiple lines here that all work, just don't crash, one of the few where turning in too early isn't beneficial though, do not strike the inside kerb, it's evil and will spit you off.

Track map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Road_Atlanta_track_map.svg

 

It's strange as some of my advice in this post seems to counter that in my first, I say turn in is vital but recommend an understeer biased car, the main reason is this, the track is very fast and the walls very close, a loss of time to a missed apex is forgivable over a race, an enormous slide into a concrete wall is not 

 

If someone tells me how to use the DVR I can upload a lap for you all?

[GRD 4 3L 28]

Against all my better judgements, I like to drive painful cars.  So I purchased McLaren F1 last night.  I like the driver's seat in the middle . . . and that's all I can say about it right now.

 

I would like to make request to everyone to arrive ahead of the meet time by 5~10 minutes to sort out the lobby.  Everyone should be respectful of other people's time; one person being late for 1 minute is 1 minute lost for everyone waiting.

 

That said, I have a trip on Saturday but not sure if I'll be returning on time for the race.  If I am not online by the race time, please start without me.

[PullThePlug666 5]

Yeah it was my GT-R   It's a heavy, heavy car though, not sure it has the pace of some of the other cars on offer but I'm going to keep working with it and also sort a backup car at the same time just in case the GT-R doesn't work out, I think I can get a little more laptime out of it but not much.

 

I'm going to do another run again later and try and sort a bit more info out, I'd still really like to see a mandatory pitstop though, It would add another dynamic to the race and maybe give those that had made a mistake (got damage) early on the chance to get back into the race.

 

I'm not that much of a robot, I still made mistakes at silverstone including a spin at around lap 6ish! There was a point midway where I thought you were going to catch me before the end and I had to really dig deep, I'm amazed the car didn't go off. I made a last minute gearing alteration before the start (to use all 6 gears instead of 5) which removed the main problem I'd been having with the car where it would break traction on the change from 3rd to 4th, complete and utter luck that it worked!

 

In terms of Road Atlanta track tips, the main thing is getting the car turned in, even if it's a little early it's better than late. It's a strange track in that there's no corner which isn't laptime critical, the main ones as far as I can tell though are:

• 1 - Keeping up momentum is vital although you're not hurt too much as the run to the top of the hill isn't too long, completely ruining though if you run so wide as to go off.
• 3 - Get the car so it can ride kerbs well, taking as much as is legal (keeping two wheels on track) is vital to a good run through the S bends, you'll struggle if the car is too stiff as it will either bounce out of the corner or upset the balance ruining the approach to the 1st s bend.
• 5 - You can run wide and you'll gain time but it will bring up the '!' so I take it as not legal, if you can't get the car turned in though it will ruin the run down into 6-7 (anyone behind you will have a run into the 2nd best overtaking spot on the track).
• 6-7 - 6 isn't so critical but you'll lose time if you aren't on the cambered inside line, 7 is critical as the straight is so long, if you get a bad run you'll lose 2-4 tenths on your best just on the straight alone.
• 10 - Get the car turned in, hit the apex cones and get on the throttle as soon as possible, it's vital not to lose too much speed here, if you out brake yourself even slightly you lose at least 5 tenths to the line, it's better to be too early on the brakes, lose a tenth and get a good run into the final corner.
• 12 - Not so much for this lap but for the next (I've come through here sideways and not noticed a large loss of time!), multiple lines here that all work, just don't crash, one of the few where turning in too early isn't beneficial though, do not strike the inside kerb, it's evil and will spit you off.

Track map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Road_Atlanta_track_map.svg

 

It's strange as some of my advice in this post seems to counter that in my first, I say turn in is vital but recommend an understeer biased car, the main reason is this, the track is very fast and the walls very close, a loss of time to a missed apex is forgivable over a race, an enormous slide into a concrete wall is not 

 

If someone tells me how to use the DVR I can upload a lap for you all?

 

I'm probably going to come off a complete tit by saying this; but I like no pit stops precisely to punish mistake, lol

I did say this is a democratic kind of thing (other than cockpit view and some major assists), if most are up for the idea of pitstops then I'm cool with that. I have no real problem

 

And no man, your advice is very welcome.. Not every drives the same, and they need different setups to accommodate different driving styles. 

 

I'm going to have my first bash at it later.. Started some new work today, so I'll have less time on my hands to practice. That being said, doesn't take me too long to get a setup sorted

 

 

 

 

 

Against all my better judgements, I like to drive painful cars.  So I purchased McLaren F1 last night.  I like the driver's seat in the middle . . . and that's all I can say about it right now.

 

I would like to make request to everyone to arrive ahead of the meet time by 5~10 minutes to sort out the lobby.  Everyone should be respectful of other people's time; one person being late for 1 minute is 1 minute lost for everyone waiting.

 

That said, I have a trip on Saturday but not sure if I'll be returning on time for the race.  If I am not online by the race time, please start without me.

 

 

You legend!! That car is a dog tbf, lol.. I was thinking of the SLS, but it is also a bit of a dog.. The driving position as you say in the f1 is awesome

 

 

I have no problem with waiting for anyone. We got everyone on board last week as far as I know, but I'm cool with delaying the kick-off. Its only about an hour driving in total after all.. Comments duly noted though mate

 

 

 

 

 

 

And hopefully I have an Aussie or two joining this week. Both are very competitive.. But the time at 9pm is like 5am for them.. Wish we could run later, but our races are full of nearly all Europeans.. We might have to do something a bit different every now and then if everyone is down.. 

I usually race with them from 11am-3pm when I catch them.. Would anyone be up for something like that some time? Saturday or Sunday, makes no difference to me

[AnV_CritcalYeti 0]

I signed up here (names Rob) and the last race i was 3 laps behind you all! I tuned my car this time

[AnV_CritcalYeti 0]

Im running the Aston V12 Zagato and man is it unforgiving sometimes